At Mindful Way Counseling, who you are will be welcomed and affirmed. We serve our community with compassionate, inclusive mental health counseling services. We believe in the wisdom of our clients as whole, strong, resilient people and respect all individuals as being worthy of dignity and happiness. For information on each of our therapists continue reading below. You can also read more about our core values.
Carolyn Menger, MSW, LICSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: They/Theirs/She/Her
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Carolyn works with Teens (16+) and Adults providing individual therapy. Carolyn has a special interest in working with members of the LBGTQAI+ community, gender diverse individuals, neurodiverse individuals, and members of the polyamory and kink community.
Focus: Carolyn has an interest in working with:
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Trauma
- Life Transitions
- Grief & Loss
- Identity related exploration (LBGTQAI+, Gender, Neurodiversity, polyamory, kink)
About: Carolyn utilities a warm and empathetic approach as a therapist, and believes in meeting clients where they are at in their healing journey without judgement. Carolyn acknowledges that systemic oppression plays a role in a person’s wellbeing, and is committed to identifying and dismantling her own colonial influences.
Therapy: Carolyn enjoys using a relational approach, as well as a trauma informed framework. Carolyn is EMDR trained, and enjoys utilizing this modality for clients seeking healing from traumatic experiences. Carolyn also holds a certificate in Sex Therapy, and utilizes a sex positive approach in her work with clients. Carolyn additionally draws upon DBT, Mindfulness, Attachment Theory, and Solution Focused Therapy.
Experience:
- Graduate Certificate in Sex Therapy, University of Wisconsin- Stout
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, University of St. Thomas
- Bachelors in Psychology, Augsburg University
Carolyn has been working in the mental health field for over a decade, and has practiced as a therapist since graduating with a master’s degree in 2021. Carolyn has worked in a variety of settings including group home settings, community mental health, private practice, inpatient mental health, and partial hospitalization.
Carolyn typically works with clients 2 days a week.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | UCare | United Health Care |
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Carolyn is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Carolyn is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
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Shoua Lor, MSW, LICSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Shoua works with individual Adults (18+), providing Individual Therapy. Shoua speaks Hmong and has an understanding of Hmong traditional practices.
Focus: Shoua enjoys working with:
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Domestic Abuse
- Trauma including Cultural, Racial, & Generational, Complex
- Relationship dynamics
- Childhood Emotional Neglect
- Emotion Regulation and Healthy Boundaries
- Medical Trauma and Chronic Illness
- Life Transitions
About: Shoua approaches her work with non-judgement and openness to create a safe and secure space for all clients to explore difficult areas of their lives. She meets each client’s needs with compassion and empathy while gently challenging clients to explore and confront underlying issues. Shoua is passionate about helping others increase their self-confidence, reduce negative beliefs about the self and the world, heal attachment wounds, work through childhood trauma, and change negative patterns and behaviors. Shoua believes that everyone is capable of change and growth, no matter how impossible it may seem.
Therapy: Shoua works from a relational lens. She works with each client to determine the best approach for their healing drawing from EMDR, Person-Centered, Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Mindfulness, Solution Focused, Motivational Interviewing, and Attachment Theory.
Experience:
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, University of St. Thomas
- Bachelors in Psychology, University of North Carolina- Greensboro
Shoua has been working in the mental health field for over a decade. She has worked in a variety of mental health settings including community mental health, inpatient psychiatric facilities, Emergency Departments, hospital medical units, outpatient mental health, and community corrections.
Shoua typically works with clients 2 days a week.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: BCBS | UCare |
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Shoua is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Shoua is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Chin Thao, MSW, LICSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: He/Him/His
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Chin works with Teens (15+) and Adults, providing Individual and Family therapy.
Focus: Chin has an interest in supporting clients with:
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Trauma
- Life Transitions
- Cultural Concerns
- General Stress
About: Chin brings a calming energy, humor, and empathy to support clients. He is passionate about hearing every individual’s unique story and provides a safe and nonjudgemental environment to have genuine conversations to empower clients. Chin has experience in and passion for working with clients from diverse backgrounds including South East Asians (Hmong & Karen), African Americans, and East Africans (Somali, Ethiopian, & Oromo). He looks forward to continuing to work with clients from diverse backgrounds and communities.
Therapy: Chin utilizes Person-Centered, Strengths-Based, Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Motivational Interviewing, Narrative Therapy techniques, and Trauma-Informed Therapy, including EMDR – based on client needs.
Experience:
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, St. Cloud State University
- Bachelors in Social Work, St. Cloud State University
Chin typically works 4 days a week seeing clients.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Chin is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Chin is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Xianwen "Jade" Cao, MA
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Jade enjoys working with Adults, including Individuals, Couples, Families.
Focus: Jade is passionate about providing support to people experiencing:
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Grief & Loss
- Life Transitions
- Relationship Concerns
- Trauma
- Promoting General Wellbeing
About: Jade is naturally curious and passionate about learning how experiences shape life. In the counseling room, she is dedicated to creating a nonjudgemental, safe space for clients to express, explore, and heal. Jade believes in the uniqueness of each individual and develops specific plans for each client through genuine acceptance and in-depth exploration. Jade believes that the resilience of people is the most powerful mechanism for the healing journey. She brings in all of her experience to offer support and guidance to empower clients to regain control of their emotions, behaviors, and life. She’s a multicultural advocate and is always seeking to develop competencies in establishing therapeutic alliances with clients from multicultural backgrounds and to be responsive and affirming in her care.
Therapy: Jade utilizes a Person-Centered, Integrative counseling approach. She draws from multiple modalities including Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Narrative Therapy, Mindfulness, and trauma focused interventions, including EMDR and use of Art in therapy, to meet the needs of each client. She favors evidence-based practice and tries to apply new findings to help increase therapeutic efficiency.
Experience:
- In Progress: Doctorate in Counseling Psychology, University of St. Thomas
- Masters of Arts in Counselor Education, University of Minnesota
- Bachelors in Psychology, University of Minnesota
Jade has work experiences in the school/college setting (working with college students) and community-based mental health services. Jade is passionate about learning, has her master’s degree in Counseling, and has decided to continue her education to pursue a doctorate in counseling psychology while working in the field.
Jade typically works with clients 4 days a week. Jade has a Masters Degree and is working under the supervision of Dr. Natalie Marr, PsyD, LP while she works to obtain her independent clinical licensure (LPCC).
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Xianwen cannot accept any EAPs.
As First Health is a network of providers used by several insurances, pre-licensed clinicians may be able to see clients with some of these plans (such as Aetna), but not all of the insurances may allow for this.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network. ** For Xianwen “Jade”, all insurances are billed at full insurance rates under Dr. Natalie Marr, Psy.D., LP (Supervisor) and reimbursed at the insurance contracted rates**
For Private Pay Clients: Xianwen “Jade” is a supervised clinician and charges the“Pre-Licensed” Fee.
Ruben Meza Maldonado Jr, LGSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: He/Him/His
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Ruben works with Adults providing Individual, Family, and Couples therapy.
Focus: Ruben has an interest in working with clients and supporting:
- Depression
- Anxiety
- Trauma
- Life Transitions
- Grief & Loss
- Cultural concerns
- Identity concerns/development
- Relationships
About: Ruben believes in the resilience of each individual. He is passionate about empowering others to create their paths to fulfillment. He enjoys supporting diverse individuals from a variety of cultural backgrounds. He is bilingual and biliterate in Spanish and English. He feels honored to be a part of your journey!
Therapy: Ruben works collaboratively with his clients, based on the client’s need, with a range of interventions. The modalities he most frequently engages include Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Person-Centered, Strengths-Based, Multicultural/Culturally Sensitive, Systemic/Family Systems, Narrative, and Solution Focused therapies and approaches, along with Trauma-Informed approaches including EMDR and Adaptive Internal Relational (AIR) Network model for trauma and dissociation, and play based interventions (for children).
Experience:
- Masters in Social Work- Integrated Behavioral Health Care Scholar, University of St. Thomas
- Bachelors in Social Work and Spanish, University of Nebraska Kearney
Ruben has experience in School Social Work and Outpatient Mental Health Therapy and private practice settings. He has worked with folks across the age span from children through adulthood, including individual, family, and couples work, and specifically has focused his work engaging culturally diverse populations and providing services in both English and Spanish.
Ruben typically works with clients 4 days a week. Clinician has a Masters Degree and is working under the supervision of Kimberly “Kim” Schultz, LICSW while he works to obtain his independent clinical licensure (LICSW).
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Ruben cannot accept any EAPs.
As First Health is a network of providers used by several insurances, pre-licensed clinicians may be able to see clients with some of these plans (such as Aetna), but not all of the insurances may allow for this.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network. ** For Ruben, all insurances are billed at full insurance rates under Kimberly “Kim” Schultz, LICSW (Supervisor) and reimbursed at the insurance contracted rates**
For Private Pay Clients: Clinician is a supervised clinician and charges the “Pre-Licensed” Fee.
Pa Nodalo, MA, LADC
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Pa provides services to Individuals of all ages including, Adults, Teens (13+), and works with some Children (6+).
Focus: Pa is passionate about helping individuals of all ages with:
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Self-Esteem
- Life Transitions
- Grief & Loss
She further works with adults on:
- Trauma in adults
- Understanding Self-Love
About: In therapy, Pa offers transparency, kindness, humor, and empathy to nourish the therapeutic relationship to grow and encourages autonomy to empower clients to feel confident and self assured. Pa sees her clients holistically and believes in partnering with her clients. She works together with her clients to find the root of any problems, discover unmet needs, and help clients gain tools to flourish in their lives again. Pa enjoys working with a wide variety of clients including those who identify as BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color) and LGBTQIA+.
Therapy: Pa incorporates an Integrative approach in therapy to meet the needs of each client including Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Motivational Interviewing, Person-Centered Therapy, individual DBT skills including Mindfulness techniques, Strengths-Based, culturally sensitive, and trauma-focused approaches including EMDR (Pa provides this for adults only at this time) and play (for children).
Experience:
- Masters of Arts in Clinical Mental Health Counseling, University of San Diego
- Bachelors in Alcohol and Drug Counseling, Metropolitan State University
Pa’s work experience includes establishing stabilization for families, youth, and children in the foster care system, short-term residential crisis counseling for adults who suffered from acute psychiatric challenges, and individual and group therapy for substance use intensive outpatient programs (she is a licensed alcohol and drug counselor). Pa has also provided services to the following populations: homeless, criminal justice involved, severe mental illness, and LGBTQIA+.
Pa typically works with clients 4-5 days a week. Pa has a Masters Degree and is working under the supervision of Dr. Natalie Marr, PsyD, LP while she works to obtain her independent clinical licensure (LPCC).
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Pa cannot accept any EAPs.
As First Health is a network of providers used by several insurances, pre-licensed clinicians may be able to see clients with some of these plans (such as Aetna), but not all of the insurances may allow for this.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network. ** For Pa, all insurances are billed at full insurance rates under Dr. Natalie Marr, Psy.D., LP (Supervisor) and reimbursed at the insurance contracted rates**
For Private Pay Clients: Pa is a supervised clinician and charges the “Pre-Licensed” Fee.
Franceska Moua, MSW, LGSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Franceska works with Individual Adults. She has a special interest in working with those who have been historically underserved and marginalized such as BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color) and mixed-race individuals.
Focus: Franceska has a special interest in addressing healing and wellness related to:
- Depression
- Anxiety
- Trauma (generational, PTSD, racial)
- Life Transitions
- Stress
- Self-Esteem
- Cultural Challenges
- Relational Challenges
About: Franceska ensures that clients receive unconditional care, authenticity, respect for client’s unique stories, nurtures the environment to promote trust and safety, and leaves space for humor. She embraces the strengths and diversity of each client, and believes it is a privilege to walk with clients as they navigate the challenges and joys of life, and recognizes that they are the expert in their experience. She believes that therapy is not only for when people are experiencing challenges, but also to prepare for when new ones arise. Franceska is a bi-racial Asian-Caucasian woman, who is passionate about racial and ethnic diversity, equity, and inclusion. She understands the unique barriers to acculturation and has a deep understanding of the impacts of multilayered systemic oppression and is committed to providing culturally responsive, trauma-informed care. She is interested in Social Policy and research. In her free time, she enjoys crafting, listening to podcasts, and going on walks at lakes.
Therapy: Franceska utilizes skills and techniques from Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), individual DBT skills including Mindfulness, Person-Centered, Strengths-Based, and trauma informed approaches, including EMDR, and Systemic approaches in therapy.
Experience:
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, St. Catherine University
- Bachelors in Social Work, St. Catherine University
Franceska completed multiple internships, including completing her Master’s clinical internship at Mindful Way Counseling. She also completed an internship at North Memorial Hospital in Case Management, and worked with college students navigating the Social Work program and leadership opportunities supporting student’s professional growth. She serves a 2 year elected term as the At-Large Membership Representative on the NASW-MN Board of Directors (2022). Previously she was a board member and participated in the Racial Justice, Membership, and Annual Event Planning Committees. In addition to her Bachelors degree in Social Work, she minored in a closely related field of Sociology and Critical Studies of Race and Ethnicity.
Mindful Way Counseling is extremely proud to announce that Franceska received an award in 2022 for MSW Student Leader of the Year Award presented by the National Association of Social Workers Minnesota Chapter (NASW-MN).
Franceska typically works with clients 4 days a week. Franceska has a Masters Degree and is working under the supervision of Kimberly “Kim” Schultz, LICSW while she works to obtain her independent clinical licensure (LICSW).
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Franceska cannot accept any EAPs.
As First Health is a network of providers used by several insurances, pre-licensed clinicians may be able to see clients with some of these plans (such as Aetna), but not all of the insurances may allow for this.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network. ** For Franceska, all insurances are billed at full insurance rates under Kimberly “Kim” Schultz, LICSW (Supervisor) and reimbursed at the insurance contracted rates**
For Private Pay Clients: Franceska is a supervised clinician and charges the “Pre-Licensed” Fee.
Kimberly "Kim" Schultz, MSW, LICSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Board Approved Supervisor
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Kim works with Children (10+), Teens, and Adults, including Individuals and Families.
Focus: Kim works to address symptoms of:
- Depression
- Anxiety
- Post-Traumatic Stress
- Self-Esteem
- Social and Emotional Difficulties
- Grief & Loss
- Parenting Challenges
- Kinship & Adoption: Kim has a special focus in the area of kinship and adoption related concerns including working with:
- caregivers related to adoption and kinship placements
- children
- siblings
About: In her therapeutic work, Kim provides relationship-based interventions with a focus on existing attachment patterns. This work supports clients in developing more secure patterns of relating to others. Personal challenges and symptoms can be addressed in partnership with Kim, in an empathetic and supportive environment. Through an integrated approach, Kim supports her clients as they tell their story in a way that is empowering; encouraging new approaches to the challenges of life. Kim helps those she serves to find meaning and direction in life through creating a warm, culturally-responsive environment, which encourages sharing and processing of deeply personal aspects of self. She holds deep respect for each client’s cultural background and world view.
Therapy: Kim utilizes a Strengths-Based, Narrative Therapy approach in working with all-aged clients from a variety of cultural backgrounds. She integrates and draws from other therapeutic approaches according to the client’s age and needs, including: Psychodynamic psychotherapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), individual DBT skills including Mindfulness, Directive and Non- Directive Play Therapy (for children). Kim is trained in trauma-specific therapy approaches to support clients in their trauma work. She frequently utilizes EMDR (all ages), Brainspotting (all ages), and Trauma Focused- CBT (children and teens) to help clients address traumas they have experienced in their lives.
Experience:
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, University of St. Thomas/College of St. Catherine
- Bachelors in Psychology, North Park University
Kim has over a decade of experience in the mental health field. Kim’s professional background includes work in adult mental health case management, crisis stabilization for children and teens, and working with individuals and families in home-based and school-based therapy environments. She has also provided trainings and group facilitation for school staff and students throughout her work in school-based mental health.
Kim typically works 3 days a week including her supervision duties and seeing clients. Kimberly “Kim” Schultz, LICSW is also a Board Approved Clinical Social Work Supervisor. Kim is the Clinical Supervisor of Mindful Way Counseling’s Masters in Social Work clinicians who are working toward independent clinical licensure as an LICSW: Franceska Moua, LGSW and Ruben Meza Maldonado Jr, LGSW.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Kim is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Kim is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Mai Lao, MSW
Contracted Psychotherapist
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Mai is interested in working with Individual Adults. She has a special interest in working with BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, People of Color) clients, including those in the Hmong community.
Focus: Mai is passionate about working with clients who are experiencing:
- Anxiety
- Depression
- Domestic Abuse
- Life Transitions
- Trauma including Cultural, Racial, & Generational
About: Mai provides a warm, supportive, and nonjudgemental environment, where clients can feel safe to explore the important areas of their life and their therapy goals. She works to provide a culturally sensitive approach for all clients, where clients can be heard and understood. With empathy, Mai hopes to support clients from all walks of life. Mai’s curious, yet grounded nature brings a sense of calm and ease to the therapy space.
Therapy: Mai uses Person-Centered, Strengths-Based, Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Motivational Interviewing, and trauma-informed approaches. Mai will also be starting training in EMDR in Fall 2023 (beginning late September/early October). Please note: Mai looks forward to being able to provide EMDR as part of her training experience, and will be able to engage in therapeutic support and preparation phases leading up to late October when she will be able to further assess client readiness for EMDR Reprocessing phases (3-8) with clients. Many clients benefit from a thorough preparation phase of EMDR (phase 2) prior to the reprocessing phases (3-8).
Experience:
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, St. Catherine University
- Bachelors in Social Work, The College of St. Scholastica
Mai holds a provisional LGSW. Mai completed multiple internships, including completing her Master’s clinical internship at Mindful Way Counseling. Additionally, she completed a prior internship at The Emeralds at St. Paul, a skilled nursing facility, supporting residents in long and short term care, as a liaison between residents and families for their care, concerns, and discharge goals. In the past, she has worked at Women’s Initiative for Self Empowerment (Wise), where she led the teen girls in the Girls Getting Ahead Leadership program, which is an academic support group for college preparation, resume building, and leadership skills.
Mai typically works with clients 1 day a week. Mai has a Masters Degree, and a provisional LGSW license, and is working under the supervision of Andrea Patten, LICSW while she ultimately works toward her independent clinical licensure (LICSW).
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Mai cannot accept any EAPs.
As First Health is a network of providers used by several insurances, pre-licensed clinicians may be able to see clients with some of these plans (such as Aetna), but not all of the insurances may allow for this.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network. ** For Mai, all insurances are billed at full insurance rates under Andrea Patten, LICSW (Supervisor) and reimbursed at the insurance contracted rates**
For Private Pay Clients: Mai is a supervised clinician and charges the “Pre-Licensed” Fee.
Molly Gurovitsch, MA, LMFT
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Co-Owner
AIR Network Certified
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Molly is passionate about working with Individual Adults and Teens (14 years+).
Focus: Molly’s specialty practice areas are in:
- Anxiety (social, phobias, OCD)
- Stress Management
- Depression
- Self-Esteem
- Trauma
- Parenting
- Life Transitions
About: Molly brings curiosity, warmth, humor, and patience to the therapeutic relationship and to empower clients to trust oneself and honor their needs as important and valuable as clients develop tools to navigate life’s challenges. She strives to provide a judgment-free environment where client’s uniqueness and concerns can truly be understood.
Therapy: Molly offers therapeutic
Experience:
- Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy, East Carolina University
- Bachelors in Psychology, University of Minnesota
Molly has been working in the field for over a decade, and her work experience includes crisis response, outpatient mental health, intensive home-based family therapy, community healthcare, and outdoor recreational therapy.
Molly typically works 4 days a week seeing clients and completing administrative duties.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Molly is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Molly is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Dr. Natalie M. Marr, Psy.D., LP
Licensed Psychologist
Independent Contractor
Board Approved Supervisor
AIR Network Certified
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Dr. Marr currently works with Individuals including: Adults. She has previously worked with Teens and Children, but is not accepting new minor clients at this time.
Focus: Dr. Marr works with:
- Trauma
- Grief & Loss
- Life Transitions
- Anxiety
- Depression
About: Dr. Marr’s philosophy of care is to help her clients create solutions to their presenting concerns and re-author the future course of their lives in a way that is more meaningful to them and allows them to feel more empower in their lives. One of her specific areas of interest is the impact of disruptive/traumatic experiences in the lifetime, how these experiences impact the present day living, and what counseling can do to help her clients take back control over these experiences and their daily interference in their lives. Her style is casual and conversational, using strategies such as humor to help clients explore painful areas within themselves from a nonjudgmental vantage point.
Therapy: Dr. Marr has training in Person-Centered care, Narrative Exposure Therapy, EMDR to resolve traumatic experiences, and is Certified in the Adaptive Internal Relational (AIR) Network model for complex developmental trauma and dissociation, and individual Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) and Mindfulness skills. She also uses Art and Play Therapy based interventions with children.
Experience:
- Doctorate in Clinical Psychology, Minnesota School of Professional Psychology/Argosy University
- Masters in Clinical Psychology, Minnesota School of Professional Psychology/Argosy University
- Bachelors in Psychology, University of Minnesota, Duluth
Dr. Marr has over a decade of experience. Rounding out her career in mental health, Dr. Marr is a dedicated clinical supervisor to students and unlicensed professionals seeking to be counselors. She feels strongly that a large part of doing good work is making sure that there are well trained clinicians prepared to serve our communities. Dr. Marr has worked in community mental health and private practice settings, as well as taught graduate level courses in the field.
Dr. Marr works 1 day a week including her supervision duties and seeing clients. Dr. Natalie Marr is also a board approved supervisor for and has worked with individuals in pursuit of their LP and LPCC. Natalie is the Clinical Supervisor of Mindful Way Counseling’s clinicians working toward independent clinical licensure as an LPCC: Pa Nodalo, MA, and Xianwen “Jade” Cao, MA.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Dr. Marr is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Dr. Marr is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Andrea Patten, MSW, LICSW
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Clinical Director & Co-Owner
Board Approved Supervisor
EMDRIA Certified & Approved EMDR Trainer & Consultant
AIR Network Certified
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Andrea works with Individual Adults and Children (ages 2-7) in early childhood.
Focus: Andrea specializes in working with:
- Trauma (single incidents, relational, cultural, generational, complex)
- General Anxiety
- Panic
- Phobias
- Parenting Support
- Early intervention for young children related to:
- Relational/Attachment Concerns
- Family/Life Adjustments
- Separation Anxiety
About: She feels honored to provide a warm, safe, and compassionate space for clients to share their story and truly be heard. She understands the importance of tailoring her work to the client’s individual need. It is her belief that clients are the experts on their relationships, health, emotions, and body. Andrea is passionate about providing trauma-informed, culturally responsive care, and welcomes and affirms people of all backgrounds (ethnicity, race, religion, gender identity, sexual orientation), consistent with her core value of social justice and dignity of all people. Andrea continues to pursue ongoing learning at all times in all areas of multiculturalism and diversity (including LGBTQ+ community, Poly relationships, Neurodiversity, and more).
Therapy: Andrea uses a collaborative approach with clients drawing from the foundations of a Strengths-Based, Multicultural, and Interpersonal approach. She focuses on a trauma-informed therapy framework, specifically drawing from EMDR for all ages (certified, with numerous advanced trainings, including Flash and adaptations for children), Adaptive Internal Relational (AIR) Network Model (certified, all ages), Brainspotting (all ages), Trauma-Focused CBT (children), Developmental Repair model (children), and Experiential Play Therapy (children). She has a special interest in body based interventions, including Mindfulness/Meditation, Somatic and Polyvagal (nervous system) theories. She additionally draws upon Narrative Therapy, Solution Focused, Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Motivational Interviewing, and Attachment Theory. EMDR is a powerful trauma-focused intervention that helps to heal the wounds of the past that prevent clients from living in their present. AIR Network is an integrative intervention that supports clients who have complex developmental trauma and/or experience dissociation.
Experience:
- Masters in Clinical Social Work, University of St. Thomas/College of St. Catherine
- Bachelors in Psychology, University of Kansas
Andrea has been working in the mental health field for over a decade. She has worked in a variety of mental health settings including in-home crisis stabilization, day treatment, school-based therapy, community mental health and private practice outpatient mental health settings. She is a Board Approved Supervisor for Clinical Social Workers and Professional Counselors and enjoys supporting folks as they’re working toward independent licensure. She is also an EMDRIA Approved EMDR Consultant, and also provides consultation at EMDR basic trainings. She has additionally taught graduate level courses in mental health diagnosis and assessment for a local MSW program.
Andrea typically works several partial days per week including completing administrative, supervision duties, and seeing clients. Andrea Patten is a board approved supervisor, and has worked with individuals in pursuit of their LICSW and LPCC. Andrea provides group supervision for all of the pre-licensed, Masters level clinicians and intern(s) at Mindful Way Counseling, and individual supervision for Mai Lao. Outside of Mindful Way Counseling, Andrea is also an EMDRIA approved Trainer and Consultant for EMDR outside of Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina & First Health ) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Andrea is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Andrea is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Carly McCormack, MPS, LPCC, LADC
Psychotherapist
Independent Contractor
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
As a contractor, this provider may set separate or additional policies outside of those set by Mindful Way Counseling, LLC.
Clients: Carly works with Individuals, including Adults, with a special interest in Young Adults and older Teens (16+).
Focus: Carly enjoys working on health and wellness which includes:
- Anxiety, including Panic concerns
- Depression
- Trauma
- Perinatal Mental Health: Postpartum Depression and Fertility Concerns
- Grief & loss
- Self-Esteem
- Life Transitions
About: Carly’s warm personality and gentle humor helps to empower her clients with insight and motivation to make changes in their lives. She believes that when people have a little bit of hope and the right tools in their toolbox, people are free to experience change. She also seeks to foster an environment that is non-judgmental, curious, and open to all identities. Carly strives to continue to learn more about other cultures, perspectives, and belief systems. She believes that the cornerstone to beneficial therapy is through building strong rapport and helping clients feel comfortable and heard. Carly understands that oftentimes, the things we need to talk about most tend to be the most difficult to talk about. For this reason, she seeks to meet every client where they are at. Carly’s personal interests include spending time with her family, pets, and friends. She believes that surrounding ourselves with supportive, motivating, and positive individuals is the key to an adaptive and healthy lifestyle. In terms of self-care, she enjoys outdoor activities such as ice-skating, snowboarding, and relaxing in the sunshine. Additionally, as an individual with an autoimmune disease (Celiac Disease), she understands the importance of proper nutrition and a healthy diet, which she strongly believes to have a positive influence on mental health.
Therapy: Carly uses a variety of interventions that she tailors to each client’s individual needs. Her approach typically includes a blend of Cognitive Behavioral (CBT), Person-Centered, Attachment theory, Mindfulness, and trauma focused theories and therapies, including Polyvagal Theory and EMDR. Carly is also in the process of obtaining her certification in Perinatal Mental Health.
Experience:
- Masters in Professional Studies in Integrated Behavioral Health, University of Minnesota
- Bachelors in Psychology, University of North Dakota
Carly has spent time gaining experience in the mental health field in a variety of disciplines including wellness, mental health, addiction, and having learned about neuropsychological assessment.
Carly typically works with clients 3.5-4 days a week.
Most Plans from the following insurance companies are accepted in network: Aetna (specifically those connected with Allina, Carly’s First Health credentialing is still in the works) | BCBS | Cigna/Evernorth Behavioral Health | Health Partners | Medica | Medical Assistance/ Medicaid | UCare | United Health Care
Do you have questions about how insurance coverage works? Check out our FAQs and Understanding Insurance 101 guide.
Please note that Mindful Way Counseling cannot bill to and we are not in network with any Medicare plans at this time, even if they are associated with a company we are in network with, or if you have secondary insurance with a company we are in network with.
Carly is in network with very limited EAP plans, being in network with an insurance above does not guarantee EAP coverage.
Always check with your insurance to be sure that we are in network.
For Private Pay Clients: Carly is a Fully Licensed Clinician and charges the “Fully Licensed” Fee.
Administrative Support
Desiree
Desiree is a part-time, independently contracted, administrative powerhouse handling client onboarding, account management, insurance verifications, and more! We have so much gratitude for our working relationship with Desiree.
Aaron
Aaron is a part-time, independently contracted, office management superstar handling of special projects around the office! We are so appreciative of Aaron's work.
Michelle
Michelle is a part-time, independently contracted, administrative dynamo handling special administrative and administrative related billing projects! We love having Michelle on board!
Molly
Thrive Billing's Molly, is a part-time, contracted, master biller, handling special billing projects for our most complex claims! We greatly appreciate Molly's billing support!
